Apparently we’re going with an automated system for PvP ranks.
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Ranking system has two major flaws that undermine the fun value and shift Terraria’s combat into a colder, more competitive zone.
First and foremost, titles affect both their carriers and the perception of them negatively. As Lord Goulash stated, people like to brag about their honorifics, but even when they don’t, others tend to think of them having oversized ego anyway. “What does this guy think of himself? A ‘pee-vee-pee master’, huh.”
And secondly, titles, especially high-leveled ones, are often a large burden on their owners. They unnecessarily set expectations of said owners in stone, and should they mess up once, a “Wow, I thought you are better than this” situation occurs, which is not fun for anyone involved.
I do not think ranks should be implemented at all. They are meaningless, cold, corrupting and not worth all the trouble. Making Terraria competitive is a bad idea. If I wanted some rank-on-rank action, I’d play Overwatch instead.
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Something I think that you overlooked a tiny tiny bit that would be, or at least SHOULD be implemented is a few new rules with it. Jupiter did this with their PvP God rank; 
I think we should do the same. If you are to have your PvP Title/Rank/whatever the fuck equipped or such, you should not be allowed to directly brag, at least not too much. As for the high end tags being a burden on their owners, while I do agree this is a pain, when you get to that level you’re already setting up expectations anyways. Ever since Kyro showed up and I did well against him, people suddenly started thinking higher of me and asking to duel me more. It’s really unavoidable, even without this system. If this system were to be implimented through tag/title use, then it’s up to the person to equip said title/tag in the first place. If they wish not to show it off or have more expectations set on them, then they could keep it off, yeah?
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While people will still have expectations regardless of the presence of ranks, at least those aren’t carved in obsidian that shatters into mind-boggingly sharp pieces when hit with enough force.
If there will be an option to hide your rank, which you willingly sign up for (I imagine it would be ridiculously harsh otherwise), a question comes to mind: what’s the point of the ranks anyway? As you mentioned, people will know if someone’s good or bad even without the system in place. The actions speak for themselves and the word gets around. The difference between losing a spoken and an official status is that spoken status can be disregarded with no consequences by the owner, as they might have never claimed to be the best or whatnot, while losing the official status spells “You were given the duty and you messed it up” for the owner.
And if there’s going to be such an option, doesn’t it undermine the whole “competitive aim” thing? Title is something that you have to defend and fight for. If it’s going to be tucked away for the whole time and whipped out occasionally, might as well not even sign up for it. It should be either visible the whole time or not obtainable until the user decides they are up for it (or after they decide they are fed up with it and want to quit).
Not only that, the point of said titles is, as I mentioned, strictly competitive. People fight for them, people struggle to hold them and people sometimes get mad when losing them, and it’s all only to get a bit more valor that all honorifics are. But why even bother? The competitive element is not necessarily a good thing, especially in a game where you know nearly all your opponents (which is something you’d almost never see in other games). What I always liked about Terraria’s combat is that you are not penalized for losing. You can have fun without any consequences for yourself or the others. Competitiveness distances you from your opponents.
To add up even more to the issue, there is a whole lot of situations when two opponents of the same level randomly gain an edge over each other. Even professional e-sportsmen have a tendency to get slightly worse or gain a boost to their abilities because of various factors. Quality of sleep, positive/negative events, mood etc. Sometimes there is no definitive way to tell who is better than who. If titles are going to be highlander-style, that will be a major problem.
And what if an unranked person who wants to stay that way dominates someone who has climbed to the top? You can neither force the rank on the newcomer nor keep the title on the defeated opponent, as it would be no longer valid. You could give the title to nobody each time something like this happens, but that would have to end eventually.
And to add even flippin’ more, who’s the jury going to be? An automated system? Expect outrageous or even unintentional abuse unless it is done with some extreme Blizzard-level precision. The community? Expect a lot of disagreements, especially when the aforementioned “random edge” situation occurs. Competitiveness is directly tied to fairness and cannot exist without it.
Anyway, if the majority really wants dem titles, there will have to be lots and lots of safeguards in place, otherwise honorifics are going to have zero value to them, which is pretty much what happened to every existing rank system in Terraria.
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I would like to see this ranking system come into the game soon and see people boasting about their ranks and making other people jealous.
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Look, I made this thread to make people to actually work for something in DG. If people wanna be ego about it, so be it, we will remove the rank from them. The roles are meant to be a fun thing to work for, not something for people to brag about. It’s not my problem if people are gonna disrespect that trust we are giving them with that role. I’ve been through this, not alot of people here on DG like me, but I wanna make DG a better place. I’ve tried countless times before to make this place more enjoyable to the community, and failed. I try so hard to make sure people like DG and get nothing for it. I’ve made mistakes in the past, but hasn’t everyone? Yes, I have a grudge against a player. Yes, I may not be nice to some people. But if people don’t start appreciating the work people do for a community, it’s not gonna be fun for anyone. This “Rank System” is something that I thought is a good idea for people to work for, be more active and respect nicely. I have tried so much for this place, and I get nothing. It sucks. This is meant to be competitive, to encourage people to be working for something to make the server better. I know I’m just a 13 year old kid on the internet, I sometimes don’t know what I’m doing. But there is only 1 thing I want to do right now in my life: Make gamer’s lives better. [YT, Being staff on a server, e.t.c] I love what I do, helping people on this server, I don’t get to do that personally. I’m just the youngest kid in my family and have a really sad life. And if you think I DONT do anything for DG, lemme show you the first page of the General Terrarian Chat and Server Suggestions:
I’m sorry to lash out like this, but it fucking stinks.
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"While people will still have expectations regardless of the presence of ranks, at least those aren’t carved in obsidian that shatters into mind-boggingly sharp pieces when hit with enough force. "
Again, this is why you have the option to flaunt it or not.
“what’s the point of the ranks anyway? As you mentioned, people will know if someone’s good or bad even without the system in place. The actions speak for themselves and the word gets around.”
Yes, actions speak for themselves, but the point of the rank is not just to show who’s good or not, it also shows who PvP’s frequently, who pvps seriously, who you should aim to beat, it gives you a goal to work towards, and it adds more competition which gets players to think more seriously instead of just brainlessly spam one weapon coughs
“And if there’s going to be such an option, doesn’t it undermine the whole “competitive aim” thing? Title is something that you have to defend and fight for. If it’s going to be tucked away for the whole time and whipped out occasionally, might as well not even sign up for it. It should be either visible the whole time or not obtainable until the user decides they are up for it”
If someone’s a competitive PvPer and they’re constantly looking to duel someone, then they’re going to keep it on. If they’re someone who likes the idea of ranking but isn’t competitive, they’ll have a rank and not equip it. That’s how it works. Adding the ability to not show it doesn’t mean it’s pointless at all, I don’t see the logic there. If you’re not competitive enough in the first place to have it out and fight for it, then it won’t matter if you get deranked while it’s hidden away. You’re not making a clear point, nor are you really enforcing it.
"The competitive element is not necessarily a good thing, especially in a game where you know nearly all your opponents. What I always liked about Terraria’s combat is that you are not penalized for losing. You can have fun without any consequences for yourself or the others. Competitiveness distances you from your opponents. "
Yeah that’s why it’s called competition. If you don’t want to partake in it, then you don’t have to. And even if the system is forced on everyone, then you can just not care about it. You’re acting like this whole thing is something everyone must put effort into and must care about, which isn’t true at all.
"To add up even more to the issue, there is a whole lot of situations when two opponents of the same level randomly gain an edge over each other. Even professional e-sportsmen have a tendency to get slightly worse or gain a boost to their abilities because of various factors. Quality of sleep, positive/negative events, mood etc. Sometimes there is no definitive way to tell who is better than who. If titles are going to be highlander-style, that will be a major problem. "
That’s why it’s taking so long to come up with a plan. This isn’t even really a bad thing either, it just means that rankings are never static, which makes things more interesting. Not sure why this was pointed out.
“And what if an unranked person who wants to stay that way dominates someone who has climbed to the top?”
I think that rankings won’t apply to someone unless they’re at least a member, but more likely a dtp member, as you’re only allowed to have one dtp account in the first place. This will ensure that people cannot make smurfs or alts and ruin others reputations/rankings. If you’re that salty over the competitive system, then just log out.
“An automated system? Expect outrageous or even unintentional abuse unless it is done with some extreme Blizzard-level precision.”
How so? I don’t see how it’s an issue provided it’s setup correctly. Even if it’s not setup correctly, it can always be modified to fix that.
“Competitiveness is directly tied to fairness and cannot exist without it.”
… okay…? This proves nothing really. We’re constantly battling to make the system more fair, so I don’t see why you pointed that out.
“Anyway, if the majority really wants dem titles, there will have to be lots and lots of safeguards in place, otherwise honorifics are going to have zero value to them, which is pretty much what happened to every existing rank system in Terraria.”
who the fuck are you to talk about honorifics xD You literally do nothing but spam one weapon at a time with whatever kit abuses spamming that weapon the most. You’re the least honorable pvper I know, Kero, please.
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Jesus guys, get a room you two.
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That’s a good idea. I am getting tired of this endless, bloodless, pointless war as well.
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TL;DR
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TL;DR
Blanc: titles good
Kerosene: titles bad
Goulash: get a room
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the tl;dr is that kero is saying that forcing a competetive system on people is a bad idea, and I’m just saying that if you don’t want a competitive system then just ignore the system. It won’t affect gameplay or anything
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Yet you needlessly escalated the situation (again), rendering the discussion pointless on both sides. If there is something you don’t agree with, you can simply write it down and say what exactly seems wrong to you. You don’t have to go mad and make things personal every single time: that does not add anything to the discussion and swiftly derails it. We both have supporters and opposers on our sides, so there are no “clearly wrong” and “clearly right” opinions. There almost never are anyway.
Seriously, this isn’t funny anymore. Going at each other’s throats in public only looks ridiculous and childish.
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I’m not making this personal, nor am I going at your throat. I looked at everything you said logically and said what I said. The only part even remotely personal was me joking around with you not really using more than one weapon at a time, and as I just said, that was a joke. I didn’t needlessly escalate the argument.
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Even if you didn’t deliberately try to make anything personal, you still went too aggressive than was needed for an argument like this, and others noticed it too. Is it really that difficult not to get too worked up over it? I don’t seek enemies and nobody else here should either. Why not just forget about whatever caused the everlasting feud in the first place and cease hostilities? This way any future arguments will be a lot more productive and not just suffocate in a dead end.
Although, regardless, the words have been spoken and now it’s up to people to decide if they need such a system in the first place. It’s more of a novelty thing than something that has practical value: it’s not like there are thousands of combatants in team deathmatch that need to be matched by skill in queues. And when it comes to novelty things, it’s almost always very difficult to get them going in the long run, even if they are good and make sense on paper.
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Can you like, not fight again?
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Hey, I offered a ceasefire a long time ago. I too am tired and wish to put an end to this.
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I’ve seen this thread go from positive to negative real quick…
[EDIT] In my opinion, both Kero and Blanc have a point here. I think it’s best we close the thread, as this may get out of hand anytime soon. Most importantly, let’s not create any enemies here shall we ?
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I’m not complaining, I bought my pop corn in advance.
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May I have some ?
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